Host: For those of you joining us, today's guest is a religious leader you should recognize. The question is whether the spiritual is real or imaginary.

Guest: =" font-family:"sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#A9290A">We are both talking about what we know. When we talk about our spiritual experiences, we are revealing what we have really seen. It is just that people like you don't want to hear that evidence. Jhn 3:11

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Host: So tell me something convincing about this spiritual reality you claim to see.

Guest: When I talk about everyday real world experiences, you don't want to believe me. How can you believe if I tell you if I were to tell you about reality beyond your experience? Jhn 3:12

Host: You claim to know things that scientists don't know?

Guest: No one has risen to higher knowledge Unless he is descended from a higher knowledge. =" font-family:"sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#A9290A">This is the childhood of humanity! Jhn 3:13

Host: Whoa! Woosh! Over my head! Of course, I must admit, I've interviewed scientists who talked way over my head too, Like you said earlier! I was born over my head! But it is okay if I pretend to understand scientists. But I'm not supposed to understand you, am I? So your child of humanity, tell us what you mean.

Guest: Well, throughout history, people, including scientists, have lifted up symbols to raise everyone's awareness. That is how the child of humanity must be raised up.Jhn 3:14

Host: Because...?

Guest: So that all those trusting in him might have a life beyond their lives. Jhn 3:15

Host: Life after death. Isn't death itself proof that God, if he exists, really hates humanity?

Guest: No, the Father cares deeply about us. Jhn 3:16

Host: By killing us?

Guest: No, he has proven it by sending his unique child. Unique because he changed all the rules of human history, and all the people in history, don't die but have lives after their lives. Jhn 3:16

Host: And kill each other in religious wars?

Guest: This is not because of the Father. He didn't send his child into the world of men to divide them. But to release them from their divisions! Jhn 3:17

Host: But we are also divided from God since he doesn't show himself.

Guest: Whoever trusts in the Father is not divided from him. Whoever does not trust is already cut off Because he cannot trust in the idea of a Child unique in history That God has made. Jhn 3:18

Host: You got that right. Someone would have to be pretty "special" to believe that he or she is a child of God. So tell me, if we are the children of God, why are we separated from him?

Guest: Here is our point of separation. The light of knowledge came into the history of the world, But people like you prefer the darkness of their beliefs to that light. Jhn 3:19

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="color: black;">Host: Why would we? I mean, they?

="color: black;">Guest: because what they did was worthless..

Host: That's exactly backwards. Religious people, like you, hate the knowledge of science!

Guest: No, worldly people hate having the spotlight on their actions instead of their words. They avoid that light. So they aren't embarrassed by others seeing what they actually do. Jhn 3:20

Host: Religious people even bigger hypocrites.

Guest: People whose actions are really worthwhile Want those actions, not their names or words, in the spotlight. So that those actions can be clearly seen As representing their Father. Jhn 3:21

Host: Speaking of worthwhile it it is time for us to pay the bills and take another commercial break. More to come, so stay tuned!

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