Host: Welcome everyone. Got a great show for you today. Today's guest is a well-known religious leader who I am sure you recognize. But religion, is difficult topic for me because I prefer to talk about reality...

Guest (smiling): And I prefer to talk about the real reality. Jhn 3:3

Host: Since I was born on this planet, the real reality may be a bit over my head.

Guest: If we hadn't been born over our heads, we wouldn't see the reality of the divine. Jhn 3:3

Guest: Okay, but let's talk about what is really real. We are all born physically from the water of the womb and we are born spiritually, from our first breath, the breath of life, when we become aware of the world. If we aren't born both ways, we couldn't get into the realm of the divine.

Host: And what do you say to those who believe that the mind is just as material as the body, From a physical brain, which which some of us -- use.

Guest: What is born by inanimate matter exists only as inanimate matter. But what is born from that universal awareness, our awareness of our own existence, is born like the wind, giving us breath! 3:6

Host: I guess I can't be too shocked when a religious leader asks us to believe in spirits.

Guest: You shouldn't be shocked by spirits, Just because I have said must be born from something above us! Jhn 3:7

Host: So we should believe in the invisible? What's next? Fairies? Unicorns?

Guest: Wind, the air, our breath, like our awareness and thought, are invisible, but they go wherever they want. And you hear its voice, but you can't see where if comes from, can you? Air, thoughts, and spirit must come in to you in order to go out of you, even though you cannot see them. Jhn 3:8

Host: No, we can't see the air, but we have evidence that it exists. But what evidence do we have that your spirits exist?

Guest: As talk show host, you haven't seen any signs of intelligence and awareness? Jhn 3:10

Host: I’m talking about spirits not the mind!

Guest: And I am talking about both, born together, but surely you've had guest share spiritual experiences? Jhn 3:10

Host: I hear a lot of wacky stuff, but I still prefer to keep in touch with a reality.

Guest: Ah, but I am talking about the honest reality. Jhn 3:11

Host: You keep saying that! Speaking about reality, it is time for us to pay the bills and take a commercial break. We will be back with more in a few minutes.