Host: And we're back! We continue our interview with a well-known religious leader that you might recognize. For those of you just joining us we ended our last segment, Discussing a unique child of God. But I want to get back to discussing the difference between the miracles of God and the miracles of science. You really claim magical spiritual powers, don't you?

Guest: Like everyone else, I can't do anything on my own. Like everyone else, I listen, then I make decisions. But I make my choices according to the Father's rules. Jhn 5:30

Host: To satisfy your own idea of right and wrong?

Guest: Because I don’t want to satisfy myself. I only want to satisfy the one who sent me. Jhn 5:30

Host: So we just have to accept your word on this?

Guest: If I alone made claims about myself, My word wouldn't be very believable, would it? Jhn 5:31

Host: Not so much.

Guest: Well, Good news then! Because there is another who is swearing to good stuff about me. And I swear that what he swears to is true! Jhn 5:32

Host: Is this mystery person someone we know that we can trust? You know, like a politician, a pop star, or talk show host?

Guest: You're in touch with popular culture, right? Jhn 5:33

Host: I guess

Guess: Good, because social movements provide evidence to my view of truth. Jhn 5:33

Host: Your truth? How?

Guest: First, let me say that I personally don't seek the approval of the moral crusades of popular culture. Jhn 5:34

Host: By moral crusades, do you mean people attacking whose-it for political incorrectness or the latest and greatest threat to the planet?

Guest: Both and I am talking about it so that people who get caught up in these issues might be rescued from them. Jhn 5:34

Host: Because those saving the planet need saving?

Guest: Exactly! The burning issues get attention because people want a higher moral purpose. This is popular, every day evidence that what I say is true. Jhn 5:35

Host: Do you really want to claim that popular culture is evidence of a divine purpose?

Guest: No, just the desire for morality, but I offer better evidence than popular culture. The work transforming lives that the Father has given those working in my name, the work done now as we speak, helping others physically and spiritually in natural, social, and personal disasters. This work should help you trust that the Father sent me. Jhn 5:36

Host: But work done in your name isn’t scientific evidence of divine power.

Guest: The Divine power sending me and changing human history is his way of giving evidence. Jhn 5:37

Host: But people don't see history that way anymore!

Host: Nor good works, because people don't want to hear God’s voice or see his hand in anything at anytime. Jhn 5:37

Host: As I said, today we have a more scientific view.

Guest: And this is your excuse for concept of the divine dying within you. He always gives you the choice not to trust what he has sent you. Jhn 5:38

Host: But people see what science has given them.

Guest: Yes, and you follow the latest discoveries, imagining that in science you will find meaning and life beyond life. But science gives the best evidence about me and the one who sent me. Jhn 5:39

Host: If that were true, then even I would believe you.

Guest: Perhaps not. Some wouldn't want to move towards me even if their lives depend on it. Jhn 5:40

Host: People have different expectations today.

Guest: I am not honored by such people in any era. Jhn 5:41

Guest: I have learned that some just don’t care about the divine within themselves. Jhn 5:42

Host: It's just that they can't see the divine.

Guest: I have come here representing the divine, and does society welcome me? But if I came here as a celebrity, representing only myself, society would welcome me. Jhn 5:43

Host: Well, I welcomed you to my show, but I’m not convinced I can trust you.

Guest: How can anyone in your world trust anything? You seek temporary recognition from popularity in society instead of seeking true recognition that comes solely from the divine. Jhn 5:44

Host: So do you condemn modern society to the divine?

Guest: Don't worry that I would say anything against you to the Father. But you should worry about another condemning you. Your science on which you have staked your future. Jhn 5:45

Host: How can science condemn society?

Guest: Because if you trust science, truly trust it, you would trust me. From the big bang to the fine tuning of the universe, science bears witness to the one who sent me. From consciousness in quantum mechanics to the coding in the simplest cell, science offers you the truth. Jhn 5:46

Host: But science wants materialistic explanations of those things. Or, more accurately, scientists want them. The same ones who want recognition from each other and not the divine.

Guest: If such people don't want to trust the visible evidence of science, how can they trust my poor words, which are nothing but invisible air? Jhn 5:47